<P>Jonas: Heheheh, funny log messages at least.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Another thing to hide many of in code, just to confuse people.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: "Boardguest 2345566: I keep getting errors: heelp!"
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: "Lo Vaquero: Post log file."
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: "BoardGuest 2345566: it sort of goes Log: Ur gay Log: Ur gay etc for about five pages. Is this bad?"
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<P>MSN Messenger: Leo was added to this conversation.
<P>Jonas: That was a fast invite, I barely managed to say hello to him in another window before you'd dragged the poor guy in here.
<P>Trestkon: Fastest invite in the West, pilgrim.
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<P>Trestkon: Boo coffee.
<P>Jonas: I'll have you know coffee is half the reason the TNM alpha will be ready for you to release tonight!
<P>Jonas: The other half is equal parts perseverance and sleep deprivation.
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<P>Trestkon: So now we start making use of the bug system. However, we'll only be fixing show stopping bugs. We still want all bugs recorded, but make sure to select the correct severity. An upside down texture isn't very important, finding yourself randomly transported to Xen would be worth major notice...
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<P>Trestkon: So there's this drunk guy lying on the floor in PartyZone... and he randomly catches fire... what's up with that?
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<P>Jonas: What was the title of the song?
<P>Ricemanu: Black Light.
<P>Jonas: Yeah so maybe they meant UV light ;)
<P>Ricemanu: ok, so you defeated me at last, my nemesis. HIM sing a song about black light bulbs.
<P>Jonas: It's obvious they were singing about... UV... radiation. What could be more poetic and uh... gawthik?
<P>Ricemanu: "When life ends, what lies in the shadows? I run through these woods of darkness, seeing only UV-LIGHT (ABOUT 365 NM) - FLUORESCING" *ville vallo eunuch scream*
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<P>OiNutter: Jesus... what did you use to generate the FAQ?? A particlegenerator!?
<P>Jonas: lol, what?
<P>OiNutter: Proprietary tags everywhere... oh the humanity.
<P>Jonas: Stop whining.
<P>OiNutter: But... that's what I do... ARE YOU FIRING ME?
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<P>That Guy: How are you?
<P>Jonas: I'm quite good in fact, although I am also wanting to go to bed.
<P>That Guy: What for? There's nothing fun to do in bed.
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<P>ZeroPresence: "ZeroPresence, you suck. You should just submit a 256x256x256 box and say you're done because you're a n00b."
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: It's a bit crap, but I try to hide that by making it flash and spark and change its scaleglow a lot.
<P>Jonas: Ah yes, where talent fails, obfuscation takes over.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: The DX coders REALLY loved using fucking floats, didn't they?
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: "How many accuracy mods do you have?" "0.4"
<P>Jonas: Floats rock!
<P>Jonas: They're like boats, but without sails, so there's room for more loot.
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<P>Vavrek: I haven't actually done anything regarding my lines. I'm sorry. I'll get to it sometime, I swear. FUCK! ASS! See?
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<P>Metche: I wanted JF to texture this since he's a great skinner and all, but he'll be MIA for a good while. However! Phas says he's giving it a go. I think this was a dual poke from both myself and from Jonas off of TNM. 
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<P>ZeroPresence: So, even after it arrived extremely late, I find that it's an evaluation copy.
<P>Trestkon: Shall I arrange for you to have access to your "backup" copy, that I for some reason have at my house and can upload to the FTP?
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<P>Jonas: I spent a lot of time cleaning up the mess Pointy had left in the voice acting department, but now Gelo's on it and he has a fucking spreadsheet, can't compete with that.
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<P>Trestkon: Wow, progress pleases me. Especially the massive amounts of it that occur when I'm away :D
<P>That Guy: Yeah. Take the hint already :P
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<P>Jonas: Hey Jim. How's the prospects for that last voice acting?
<P>Jim: Oh... uh... *runs away*
<P>Jonas: Yeah I get that a lot.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: It's been one of those weeks.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: And it's only fucking monday.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: HL2 wasn't, as far as I could tell, a terribly 'sneaking' based game. 'Kill absolutely fucking everything, with a toilet if necessary' seems a better assessment.
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<P>Jonas: Don't hesitate to temporarily block me when I begin to bore you, it's the only way to shut me up this time of night.
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<P>SpiritVII: Hey I finished that loop right after you left :*(
<P>Jonas: lol, I heard it. I also left feedback for you in the forums :)
<P>SpiritVII: Yeah, but you also missed my soccer game! You're a horrible parent!
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<P>Trestkon: *Works on stress/strain graphs and calculations*
<P>Trestkon: With comments like that, I could certainly run a multi-million dollar company!
<P>Jonas: You scare me. I get this feeling that one day I'll make a multiple-award-winning game and watch all the profits go straight into your pockets...
<P>Trestkon: Board Meeting:
<P>          Worker: "Profits are up 4%"
<P>          Lawrence: "woot@money!"
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: No matter how many infolinks you come up with, you'll never fucking beat Tracer bloody Tong.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: "Look JC! A spoon!"
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<P>Trestkon: (in reply to a spam ad on the forums) Thank you Mr. Advertiser. Please take my ban as a token of our appreciation.
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<P>Jonas: Just pop the question, Trest.
<P>Ryan: OMG! YES LARRY.
<P>Trestkon: So, being that Ricemanu is clearly trapped in his own closet, we were wondering if you would be interested in graphic-ing the TNM manual.
<P>Ryan: Oh *cough*
<P>Trestkon: Also, please marry Jonas.
<P>Ryan: OMG! YES LARRY.
<P>Ryan: Jonas, do you like beige or teal? Curtains, I mean.
<P>Jonas: Teal.
<P>Trestkon: We thought we'd ask you before making a general inquiry to fans.
<P>Trestkon: Because we know they all want to marry Jonas, and you have dibs.
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<P>That Guy: When I pointed this out to Jonas, he commented on the fact that I point out problems while you provide solutions, so I suggested we get your ideas.
<P>That Guy: So uh... go!
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: You found: sword of Voice Acting +5!
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<P>OiNutter: Considering the properties of voodoo and the similarities a peanut has to the scrotum, yes it could get worse.
<P>OiNutter: You should add that into your video game thing: The voodoo nut... crush it and enemies grab for their package and fall over in pain.
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<P>SpiritVII: I feel kinda bad to be honest.
<P>Jonas: AS YOU SHOULD.
<P>SpiritVII: lol, you really are the Chief Poking Manager aren't you?
<P>Jonas: I take pride in making you feel bad. I paint your mind with the brushes of guilt and anguish.
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<P>Trestkon: What are the warnings?
<P>That Guy: Null reference basically.
<P>Trestkon: If I knew what that meant, would I scream in terror? Or just yelp in mild agitation?
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<P>Trestkon: Let's change TNM to X-Box.
<P>That Guy: As lead coder I must stab you in the face.
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<P>Jonas: Then I'm going to make a really epically, monumentally large to-do list.
<P>Jonas: A to-do list so large that it will eclipse the sun.
<P>Jonas: So large that its very gravitational force will shatter the Earth.
<P>Jonas: So large that even my ego will start to feel threatened by it!
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<P>The Hotdog Man: (commenting on a screenshot of a building with a huge BSP hole) Well I don't know about you guys, but that's a fine piece of modern architecture if I do say so myself.
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<P>Jonas: So Trest... any plans for how we'll secure $20m for our next game?
<P>Trestkon: I assume that my house is built on top of a gold infused oil well.
<P>Breadfan: Mine is built over a well of puppies.
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<P>Jonas: Do you know how to script?
<P>Tammy (That Guy's girlfriend): I wish I could say yes but I would be lying.
<P>Jonas: I don't know what he sees in you then.
<P>Tammy: lol, you're totally his type.
<P>Jonas: That scares me a bit.
<P>Tammy: Shane just got back and he's like "are you hitting on him on my behalf?!"
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<P>Jonas: So... think I should write drunk convos for all women in Sol's and Partyzone? :D
<P>That Guy: If you like.
<P>Jonas: Mwahahah. I'll need lame pickup lines.
<P>That Guy: Can't help you there. All my pickup lines are gold.
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<P>Jonas: We are forever in Kieron's debt for inventing a device so ingeniusly suited for our own project.
<P>Trestkon: And he better write huge articles on us!
<P>Jonas: "We're in your debt! But let's earn up some more of that: REVIEW OUR MOD!"
<P>Trestkon: No, not review, just blindly promote :P
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<P>Jonas: Also, ignore any humans you find there. The real map will be full of aliens and robots.
<P>SpiritVII: And ninjas, for good measure.
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<P>That Guy: Is sewage the sort of smell that just rinses off? I mean Trestkon is a fairly busy man.
<P>That Guy: What with all the crate looting and ventilation shaft navigating.
<P>That Guy: I don't think he really has time for a proper shower.
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<P>That Guy: Let's make a list of everything that needs to be done for tommorow's alpha.
<P>That Guy: And by "let's" I mean "you should".
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<P>Smoke39: The map resists pathing. I say let the AI find its OWN damn way around. D:<
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<P>Jonas: Bug fixing in DXI seems kinda... I don't know.
<P>That Guy: Like Chris should do it? :P
<P>Jonas: Yes! Kinda like Chris should do it...
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<P>Jonas: Actually the nuke doesn't take up inventory space, it's a built-in weapon that you can bring up by pressing 'N' and which has infinite ammo and kills every enemy on the map.
<P>Jonas: Game balance? To Hell with it, I say!
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: I like the idea of instantly killing every enemy on the map, and yet ALSO having inifinte ammo.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Just, you know, in case you want to gib the corpses, too.
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<P>Gelo: I think Spaic's big issue was how she recorded, not the quality.
<P>Jonas: I think Spaic's issue is ADHD.
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<P>Breadfan: The intro pr4wns. Barring the inexplicable death at the end. Kudos to whoever made it.
<P>Trestkon: I thought the random death was rather poetic, symbolizing Trestkon's desire for inner harmony and world peace.
<P>Breadfan: Of course. I totally should have picked up on that.
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<P>Trestkon: Players should feel free to 'get their groove on' at any time during this level. I might also suggest just turning your speakers up, exiting your seat, and flailing your arms and legs around in some kind of horrible attempt at actual dance until someone threatens to have you committed.
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<P>Jonas: I wonder, how much time do you have on your hands these days?
<P>Jim: 100% pretty much. I'm a professional bum after all.
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<P>Jonas: What game is that?
<P>That Guy: The game is N. Good luck googling that :P
<P>Jonas: How enigmatic.
<P>Jonas: (See what I did there? How... ENigmatic...? Yeah...)
<P>That Guy: No, I didn't see and I'm sort of glad I didn't, because when you showed me a little part of me died inside.
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<P>Gelo: Oooh, that was a good feeling... poking the boss :P
<P>Jonas: :(
<P>Gelo: No problem, I'm sure you'll get me back ;)
<P>Jonas: Gelo... uh... *pokes you in the belly* you're... gaining weight?
<P>Gelo: Actually I am, the wifey mentioned it yesterday :S
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<P>That Guy: You should get LS back. It's about that time of year when he rejoins again :P
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<P>Jonas: We suck at meeting deadlines :P
<P>That Guy: Extenuating circumstances.
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<P>Jonas: Well, as far as I know, all I really sent you was a lot of CC'd mails from my correspondence with Steve Foxon, who by the way has access to these forums now (welcome aboard, Steve!) and is either going to work on the WC HQ or the Old Server Complex soundtrack.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Damnit, Jonas: you get EVERYBODY. It's not fair.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Next week it'll be "a lot of CC'd mails from my correspondence with Warren Spector, who by the way has access to these forums now (welcome aboard, Warren!), and has decided to neglect fluff bunny rabbits and act as a design consultant for the WorldCorp missions."
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: And I'm only half joking.
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<P>Jonas: Mwahah, this is a good track.
<P>Steve Foxon: Don't over do the listening, or the subliminal messages may get you :P
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<P>Jonas: Nah, Trestkon hasn't put any work into anything, he gave up mapping 3 years ago and started bossing people around and feigning activity instead ;P
<P>Trestkon: That's where the money is!
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<P>Steve Tack: Mr. F! Long time no type. It's great that you're still doing music for DX mods after all this time.
<P>Steve Foxon: Hey Steve, hope you're well! Nice to see you're still around too.
<P>Jonas: Woah, Steve^2. I'm not sure I can handle that much Steve.
<P>Steve Tack: Few can handle THAT much Steve. Few would want to, admittedly.
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<P>That Guy: That's going to be difficult. I'll get right on it :D
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<P>Jonas: Meh, when you have a girlfriend, all her hints pretty much mean "it's been a while since you bought me flowers..."
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<P>Jonas: Sometimes I look at our progress bars and I think "somebody please just blow up my PC".
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<P>ZeroPresence: I had a crazy russian chasing me with a boomstick.
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<P>ZeroPresence: "Signs of light rain, and we have good chances of daylight coming up later in the week! This is PDX News Weather Report, have a safe night!"
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<P>ZeroPresence: I just walked up with my sword and started cutting down weeds and my sword got bloody and I felt like a man!
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<P>That Guy: Is there a variable defined called player?
<P>Jonas: Would you make fun of me if I said no?
<P>That Guy: Yes.
<P>Jonas: Then... maybe.
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<P>That Guy: This guy ignores damage.
<P>That Guy: Then again I was summoning darts from my waist so maybe he wanted to confuse me in retaliation.
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<P>That Guy: Ours is just not his kind of forum.
<P>That Guy: I predict he is probably a friendly 14ish year old kid.
<P>That Guy: Whereas our forums tends to attract 20ish year old condesending assholes.
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<P>Tonnochi: "TNM - Deadlines ...are made to be broken."
<P>Trestkon: Joke's on you, we don't even HAVE deadlines :D
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<P>Metche: Serves me right for being female!
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<P>Jonas: Heh, I do hope your firewall can't read the text in pictures :o
<P>Jonas: That would be pretty l33t. A lot l33ter than you'd really want a piece of software to be, I reckon.
<P>Gelo: Darn straight, it also tells me when my posture isn't healthy for my back and when my shoelaces are untied.
<P>Jonas: *DING!* "System administrator: You have received a message from the firewall: 'Gelo, your fly is open'."
<P>Gelo: Happens three times a day!
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<P>Trestkon: They deleted us because they claimed our entry was just for publicity... which it really was, but it still annoyed us.
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<P>Tonnochi: Is ZeroPresence dead?
<P>Fub: Actually, ZeroPresence died in a horrible jello accident. It was tragic.
<P>EER: That IS tragic. OMG! What can I say, I hope he didn't have too much pain :(
<P>Fub: The bright side: he was disco dancing. I can not think of a more peaceful way to go than disco dancing.
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<P>ZeroPresence: Maybe if those problematic pathnodes are out and the current operable pathnodes stay in, through copying to a new map, it might stop crashing.
<P>ZeroPresence: Because the good pathnodes may be sending paths to the bad ones and they're like "DIEEE!"
<P>ZeroPresence: I know my techno jargon is hard to follow...
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<P>ZeroPresence: To the map cave! Where I will map... a cave!
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<P>Jonas: It's not a BSP error though, it's just wonkyness with the way water works (check out that alliteration).
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<P>Ryan: After you've read it, I want you to type, "I have read Trestkon's post and have given just short of a crap."
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<P>That Guy: Are either of you likely to catch fire? If so could you test bug #225?
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<P>Steve Foxon: Can't really go much smaller than 6.5mb as I *really* hate going less than 128k, and even that I don't like too much ;)
<P>Trestkon: Heh, alright then. I was going to convert it to 64k, but I guess you'd probably die ;)
<P>Steve Foxon: I'm feeling ill just thinking about it...
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<P>Jonas: TNM clearly shows that one can put everything AND the kitchen zink in one's game and still make an awesome game all around, the only negative effect will be that THE DAMN THING WILL NEVER BE FINISHED OMFG!!!! Ahem... yes.
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<P>Gelo: How long do you have between semesters over there in the frigid northlands?
<P>Jonas: January.
<P>Gelo: About the same here.
<P>Gelo: ...well except at my school, we had 2 weeks.
<P>Gelo: And we had to walk barefoot in the snow to our classes.
<P>Gelo: Backwards, carrying 100 pound weights.
<P>Gelo: On each arm.
<P>Gelo: While singing school songs.
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<P>Metche: Basically - the t-shirts and stuff we're gonna sell...
<P>Metche: We want to put on the wallpaper of the JC Denton (new one) that Alex did a couple of days ago.
<P>Metche: Will this breach Eidos copyright even though we redid the image from scratch?
<P>Jonas: Just call it "Limited Edition" and sell it with the slogan "Get yours before Eidos shuts us down!"
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: JC's facial hair killed my entire family. Just so you know.
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<P>Jonas: This is a great rack!
<P>Jonas: O_O
<P>Jonas: Freudian slip... GREAT TRACK.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: It would be nice to play with folks who I know and respect.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Incidentally, the temptation to put "but you guys will just have to do" on the end there was almost unbearable... :D
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<P>Jonas: I like it.
<P>Ricemanu: Why do you call it "saks" then? :P
<P>Jonas: Saks means scissors in Danish.
<P>Ricemanu: Alright :P Thought you just wanted to spell "sucks" differently.
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<P>Jonas: Wanna help me gather my thoughts on our end-game?
<P>That Guy: Sure, I'll look over here.
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<P>That Guy: Line 656 is your problem.
<P>Jonas: I'm pretty sure I didn't add that...?
<P>That Guy: No you didn't write that, DDL did.
<P>Jonas: Ah good, I thought the log("fuck"); smelled a bit like DDL.
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<P>Gelo: And at least Kylie didn't say something like "Is that an augmentation canister in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
<P>Gelo: "Yes, it actually is an augmentation canister in my pocket. Picked it up at the Llama temple, there's an interesting story behind that."
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<P>Jonas: Oh shit somehow I've stumbled upon a TV programme displaying two Black Widow spiders mating.
<P>Jonas: Which in NO WAY WHAT-SO-EVER makes them any less creepy. In fact QUITE the contrary.
<P>That Guy: Hahaha, like old people.
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<P>deuxhero: Are there any philosophical converations in the mod?
<P>Jonas: In a manner of speaking.
<P>That Guy: A non-committal and ambiguous manner.
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<P>Sensei: A recent computer failure has left me without music software :S
<P>Sensei: Managed to save my source files, though...
<P>Jonas: Oh that's good. Hope you didn't lose anything important? Love letters, spreadsheets proving you've found the meaning of life, treasure maps...?
<P>Sensei: Might've lost a few treasure maps.
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<P>Jonas: Oh, well I guess if you do that you'll be taken directly to /teamftp as that's your root rolfer.
<P>Jonas: Woah, rolfer? That's a pretty awesome typo... *folder.
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<P>Gelo: And now, a first for me: *poke* 0:)
<P>Gelo: How about Ozmo's lines? Being that you've advertised on your header that you've got plenty of free time ;)
<P>Jonas: Has Spaic approved my sample?
<P>Gelo: Hmm. I'll ask Grub (nice dodge).
<P>Jonas: Mheheheh.
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<P>Ricemanu: Not too silly? If I were a robot I'd explode now.
<P>Ricemanu: "NOT TOO SILLY - CANNOT COMPUTE - SELF DESTRUCTION SEQUENCE INITIATED"
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<P>Jonas: Ask Jeremy if he can do a drunken Polish accent.
<P>Gelo: Pointman it is.
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<P>Jonas: The briefing for the OSC mission should now no longer make most players fall asleep.
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<P>Jonas: GOD DAMMIT I HAVE BEEN MAKING STUPID-ASS TYPOS LIKE THAT ALL DAY.
<P>Jonas: It's 5 pm, will my brain EVER get out of bed!?
<P>Trestkon: Seems not.
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<P>justanotherfan: And I vote that James T gets banned for posting poetry. Completely uncalled for.
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<P>Gelo: Pointman should be in your inbox.
<P>Jonas: Woah, who let him in there!?
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<P>Trestkon: I'd send girls and money, but that would just be a distraction.
<P>Jonas: Can you send girls and money when we're done then? As a reward? Or at least girls... I'm so lonely :(
<P>Trestkon: I'll send girls if I can find enough stamps... and if they fit in the envelope.
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<P>Jonas: And there'll be a datacube on a desk somewhere complaining that it's a huge hazard that the decompression compensator in that module hasn't been repaired yet.
<P>Gelo: It's funny how many times that happened in DX.
<P>Gelo: "Watch out Harry, there's an Impending Doom built into this facility that I'm afraid will strike us if someone touches The Switch."
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<P>The_lone1: Well, as long as he doesn't do a TNM, all will be good.
<P>Trestkon: What's that? Make the most awesome mod in the universe?
<P>Jonas: ...and subsequently get hired by an AAA game design studio?
<P>Flyboy: And when you ask about TNM's release date, you get?
<P>Trestkon: Feelings of euphoria caused by the knowledge that dozens of people have spent thousands of hours creating a mod with more than 20 hours of gameplay, only to give it away for free when it's finished?
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<P>Jonas: And it is the last fucking time I'm ever wearing mascara.
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<P>Trestkon: Dammit, I don't know what two qualities I want to improve on.
<P>Jonas: You need to stop being so damn social so you can do more work on TNM.
<P>Trestkon: Leadership abilities \o/
<P>Jonas: No you have plenty of those. TOO MANY of those. You have the whole "delegate everything and lean back with a cold beer" down perfectly.
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<P>Trestkon: "What is the nicest compliment anyone ever paid you."
<P>Trestkon: Quick, pay me a compliment!
<P>Jonas: Trestkon, you do not smell of feces.
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<P>Jonas: Saw Fury by Fritz Lang, good movie.
<P>Shane: Based on the computer game?
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<P>Jonas: *Puts another notch on the "How many drinks do I owe OiNutter" list*
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<P>Master_Kale: Jonas.
<P>Jonas: Kale.
<P>Master_Kale: I am using teh internetz.
<P>Master_Kale: From Kubuntu.
<P>Jonas: GTFO
<P>Master_Kale: D':
<P>Jonas: What a small world, I'm downloading Ubuntu.
<P>Jonas: From the Internet!
<P>Master_Kale: GTFO
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<P>Morpheus: Love MIB mod, just as good as TNM!
<P>Jonas: Nuh-uh! Wanna fight about it?
<P>Wildcat: We'll settle this like men... 
<P>Wildcat: ...with a paper-rock-scissors contest ;)
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<P>NVShacker: I know cigarettes cancel 'drugged' animations, but I don't think the damage is cancelled.
<P>NVShacker: "Whenever I'm feeling poisoned I just pull out my Marlboros."
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<P>Jonas: So back on the topic of TNM...?
<P>ZeroPresence: TNM fails!
<P>Jonas: TNM wins, and you know it. TNM wins in all aspects of life.
<P>Jonas: TNM steals your girlfriend when you're not looking.
<P>Jonas: TNM beats you at soccer.
<P>Jonas: TNM scores A+ in all subjects at college.
<P>Jonas: TNM is headhunted for the board of directors at General Electric.
<P>Jonas: TNM will eventually be elected president of the USA. Quite possibly... the World.
<P>ZeroPresence: lol it's just a big "TNM" sign sitting in a chair: "Hello, I am the president."
<P>Jonas: I figured it'd be running on a laptop in the oval office.
<P>Jonas: There'd be a sign next to it saying "please do not shut down The President".
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<P>That Guy: Did NVS speak to you about Rush Hour?
<P>Jonas: Yes he did, I'm all for it, I had great fun with that little app.
<P>Jonas: OiNutter suggested disguising it as "moving packets around the mainframe".
<P>Jonas: I'll just have to figure out how to represent it, but I gotta discuss that with Ricemanu.
<P>Jonas: (Which puts me in the wonderful position of "having designed" a puzzle without actually coming up with ANY aspect of it myself.)
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<P>NVShacker: I see my spelling is bearing the brunt of the offensive brought on by my sleep deprivation.
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<P>Trestkon: I'll be away tonight and tomorrow at a surprise party. If you need my opinion on something, just roll a dice. Higher numbers indicate higher levels of agreement with your opinion :P
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<P>OiNutter: Anyone with moderator access and Linux utilities could have done it as long as they had a name like OiNutter and were standing exactly where I was standing.
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<P>Jonas: Who's your go-to guy for it-support?
<P>Aemer: Aksel.
<P>Jonas: But I'm a professional! I have a whole year's experience in putting you on hold if you call.
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<P>Jonas: Let's prioritize them according to what'll be hardest for ourselves to get.
<P>Jonas: That means macho voices and girls up top, young men and silly European accents at the bottom.
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<P>Trestkon: How does [Scott] do the voice acting, anyway?
<P>Gelo: Well, he has a very versatile vocal range.
<P>Gelo: Which he augments with helium baloons and an occasional oral surgery.
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<P>Jonas: I don't want none of your crazy programmer abbreviations.
<P>That Guy: Hahaha like TNMPAM?
<P>Jonas: Yeah WTF is that?
<P>That Guy: TheNamelessModPawnAugmentationManager.
<P>That Guy: Though really if you don't recognise the first 3 letters you've got no business reading my code.
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<P>Jonas: It still makes no freaking sense to have a room as huge as this on a space station. But... heh, goodbye realism, hello dramatic effect.
<P>Trestkon: Many things in TNM make no freaking sense.
<P>Jonas: That is unfortunately very very true. Almost all of them are really cool, though.
<P>Trestkon: At least it fits the genre (that we just created).
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<P>Jonas: Personally I find it many times more disturbing to watch a nasty gore movie than to play FEAR or Doom 3.
<P>That Guy: Yeah I don't watch horror movies for that reason.
<P>That Guy: They're scarier because the protagonists dont kick anywhere near as much ass as I do and as such are more likely to run into trouble.
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<P>That Guy: Haha did I tell you about the time [my little sister] was stung by a scorpion?
<P>That Guy: That was gold.
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<P>Trestkon: We have a lot of maps.
<P>Trestkon: We're crazy awesome.
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<P>Jonas: Did you send me a mail with the subject "Enlargement of your 'pepper' for several days!"?
<P>Trestkon: Yes, it's a new product I'm marketing. IT REALLY WERKS!!!11
<P>Trestkon: BUY NOW AND RECIEVE A FREE MAIL ORDER BRIDE, 100% VIRIGN!
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<P>ZeroPresence: "Moving in to pet kitten, over." "10-4 covering your six."
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<P>Phasmatis: Kitties! A lot of women love kitties!
<P>Jonas: I don't know if you've heard, but I rather like cats.
<P>Phasmatis: That's where I got the idea from :P
<P>That Guy: Owned.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: I haven't got a clue how to design or make an internal combustion engine, but if someone designed one that ran by burning kittens, I'd be perfectly entitled to criticise it, and I would.
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<P>Jonas: N00s posted.
<P>Trestkon: \o/
<P>Jonas: Funny, that's exactly how Ruben reacted.
<P>Jonas: And then he asked what news I was talking about, because I had written it in the wrong window.
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<P>Sensei: In roughly 3 days I'll have a professional choir, so that's good.
<P>Jonas: Awesome! :D How?
<P>Sensei: Stealing it slowly...
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<P>Jonas: Hey.
<P>That Guy: o.
<P>Jonas: Cutting down on your daily use of letters, I see.
<P>That Guy: y.
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<P>Trestkon: This robot vacuum cleaner rocks the house.
<P>That Guy: Maybe you should have got a less powerful one.
<P>Trestkon: Zing!
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<P>Trestkon: There's no way to have an open community if you restrict members to only posting about sunshine and lollipops.
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<P>Jonas: Is this your last exam?
<P>That Guy: If by last you mean first, then yes.
<P>That Guy: Otherwise no, it's the first.
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<P>Trestkon: I also make an effort to forget all my calculus to make room for tv show quotes.
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<P>Trestkon: I'm coding the TNM uninstaller saved games funtionality, and I accidently programmed it to remove my DX save directory :P
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<P>Jonas: What would be cool is if one computer had Burden of 80 Proof on it as an adventure game, and in Burden of 80 Proof, where you have to playtest that store owner's game, the game is instead TNM O_O
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: There's a smiley for this: it's O_o
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<P>Trestkon: I've been hanging voice actors upside down by their ankles and shaking until recordings fall out of their pockets.
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<P>NVShacker: I wish I hadn't struck such a poor balance of esoteric knowledge (like programming) and common sense (like realizing TNMDeco4Trest.rar probably isn't for me).
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<P>Trestkon: All TNM content feeds directly into my brain.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: It's like blaming someone for not always wearing a crash helmet and full body-armour when going outside, because after all: You should KNOW there's always a risk that a crazed drunken crane operator will be flinging sharpened sacks of ball-bearings around the air, right? It's your own fault you weren't properly protected.
<P>Phasmatis: Man, I hate it when that happens.
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<P>Yarron: You always so jovial? Keeping up the morale of your collegues?
<P>Trestkon: Indeed I am. I'm like the good cop, Jonas is the bad cop :P
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<P>justanotherfan: I would like to eventually see what the heck TNM actually IS ;-)
<P>Trestkon: It's like a the biggest, best tasting cake you've ever had, but for your MIND O_O
<P>Smike: With a little weed in it.
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<P>Smike: You guys are so weird, it's like visiting a different planet whenever I learn of stuff you're doing and how you're doing it - and with whom.  It just seems like a giant ball of car-parts tumbling through space to some unknown destination, and crawling about its surface a horde of astronaut-mechanics trying to assemble a Jaguar.  Especially with the BILLIONS of people who have at one time or another done something for the mod, and still do or don't, or do and then don't and then do, and then don't, etc.  I think at some point or another, more people have been a part of TNM than have been a part of the USSR or "The Price is Right."
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<P>Chris the Cynic: You forget that there is a middle ground between agree and disagree called, "indifferent." Again, this is easier if you're tired (or very young, or the President of the United States.)
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<P>Jonas: Very good work, Shane! It works exactly as it should!
<P>Jonas: Well, except for the crash.
<P>That Guy: ROFL, but really who cares if the game crashes as long as there's a classy cutscene beforehand.
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<P>NVShacker: We need the modding equivalent of interns so I can send these Rush Hour puzzles to some hapless soul and tell him or her (at least I'm politically correct!) "have fun".
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<P>NVShacker: I just saw a friend online who owes me big for doing his compsci coursework a few times, my kindness is now rewarded by the removal of the tedious puzzle conversion task.
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<P>Jonas: "CANADIAN PHARMACY"!? What did I tell you about spamming me, Trestkon!?
<P>Trestkon: BUY MY DRUGS!
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<P>DDL: Yeah, well my mod is gonna pwn you all. It'll be just like the original, only it'll also come with blackjack, and hookers.
<P>DDL: ...in fact, forget the mod.
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<P>Jonas: Ptsch, feature creep like that is what makes TNM as awesome as it is. And re-establishing balance during the beta phase after you've spent the entire prior development cycle cramming awesome, over- or underpowered, and completely unplanned features into your game is just a challenge! We all need a challenge once in a while.
<P>Smike: There's that ball of car-parts and astronaut-mechanic Gray monkeys again.
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<P>Jonas: The team forum is delightfully asshole free.
<P>ZeroPresence: Yeah it is. It's full of happy go lucky hard workers! ^__^
<P>NVShacker: For some reason the "happy go lucky" quote makes me think of the "FIX THE FUCKING BUG TRACKER" thread.
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<P>ZeroPresence: Jesus, still rebuilding...
<P>NVShacker: This begs the question, could Jesus code a map editor so buggy he himself could not map in it?
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<P>Jonas: I did manage to provoke a mid-rebuild crash by setting the camera to look at what I had changed. That was stupid :P
<P>NVShacker: Good old UnrealEd.
<P>Jonas: It was UEd2 :S
<P>NVShacker: Good still pretty old UnrealEd.
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<P>ZeroPresence: I'm very relieved now that I can open this junk in UEd2, like I'm no longer on fire, over a pit of lions with dynamite strapped to them, and the pit is slowly filling up with water with great white sharks in it covered in anthrax.
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<P>Trestkon: I was just talking to Shane, but he had to go back to oblivion.
<P>Trestkon: Which I just now realize is probably the game, and not the place.
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<P>ZeroPresence: I need to buy two pairs of handcuffs, and a rechargable flashlight. And MAYYYYBE a baton.
<P>Jonas: I'm so glad you're studying to be a police officer, because otherwise I'd seriously consider blocking you from MSN right now.
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<P>NVShacker: Unless of course someone other than me did something POTW worthy (having consulted my ego, we find this unlikely).
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: If you try to drop a POVcorpse and it fails the 'can I put it here?' check, it still spawns the bloodpool, so you can get a hell of a lot of blood pools if you spam the 'drop' key, while still carrying the corpse. Unclear whether this is a bug or a feature, actually :)
<P>That Guy: It's a feature. If you can't drop a body you just sort of beat it against the obstacle.
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<P>Lawrence: Yes, our mod is very hyper-realistic. In fact, just yesterday I encountered a hidden portal behind a building that warped me to a secret cult city and I thought "Wow, just like TNM!"
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<P>NVShacker: People will love the detail!
<P>NVShacker: The two of them that end up playing it enough to notice :P
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<P>Jonas: I see no transfer.
<P>That Guy: Oh you're missing out, it's quite the transfer.
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<P>Gelo: Before you go, let's talk trash about Jonas... oh wait, he's still here.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: I'm tempted to put a box room somewhere that you can only see if you're looking though a BSP hole.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: And in the box room is a sign saying "IF THIS WAS MADE BY ZP, YOU WOULD NOT SEE THIS SIGN".
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: In this community, we really have to stick together :)
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Or smike wins O_o
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<P>Jonas: WOW IT'D BE SO AWESOME IF ANY OF MY CODERS WERE ONLINE RIGHT NOW.
<P>That Guy: Your coders just got Bioshock :P
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<P>NVShacker: I've made sure the guide below is pretty idiot proof for anyone (anyone using Windows anyways :p) as these steps won't change too much when we go beta and it'll be important the testers can use our Subversion server too. Also I think you're all total idiots :p
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<P>ZeroPresence: TNM is working on about two years of forgetting its release date.
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<P>NVShacker: ok, I feel a little bad for stabbing SymGeosis for like 250 credits but yay shameless opportunism. Downtown is going to be littered with people with screwdriver stab wounds in their necks before I'm done.
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<P>Gelo: Mark the time.
<P>Gelo: September 8th, 2007 6:46 PM
<P>Gelo: Gelo R. Fleisher becomes the first person to beat The Nameless Mod.
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<P>NVShacker: Throwing foons are some day-ruining shit on Realistic.
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<P>Gelo: I should really try to work more like a cat... sleep 16 hours, stretch, lick my butt and then have my loved ones pet and feed me.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: It'd be funny at least once, especially if you made the actual missions really odd ANYWAY.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: *Flings flowerpot out window, shoots Tracer Tong's dog*
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: *GOAL COMPLETED! 2000 skill points awarded!*
<P>Smike: HEY! SOMEBODY GET A MOD IN HERE!!! You can't just give away TNM's PRIMARY ENDING, DDL!
<P>Jonas: God dammit, I knew we should never have trusted him with the internal alpha build!
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: See, and the thing is: everyone thinks you guys are JOKING. Joke's on them, huh?
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<P>Jonas: What, Larry was kicked?
<P>MSN Messenger: Lawrence was added to this conversation.
<P>ZeroPresence: Larry obviously suck- is awesome.
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<P>Trestkon: New models make me happy :D Not having them on the FTP makes me sad :( But quickly fixing a bug makes me happy :D But uploading 200mb again makes me sad :(
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<P>Jonas: In your absense I met with the Downtown sector at the peak of Mount Fusijama and did mortal combat with it until it submitted itself to my will.
<P>Trestkon: Did you fall into an infinitely deep cavern, as well?
<P>Jonas: There was definitely an infinitely deep cavern. There was little to no falling involved however.
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<P>Jonas: Nonlethal weaponry can be surprisingly lethal in combination with a gun.
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<P>Smike: I think this is an important concept to understand. I also think its basically wrong. I think that you are PLENTY visionary enough, Jonas, but I also think that you, too, are wrong. I think that I know a bit about story, but I also think that I am undeniably and completely WRONG.
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<P>Aemer: In other words, is your player sophisticated and literarily interested? Or is he the world's greatest "My Name is Earl"-fan?
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<P>OiNutter: I told Trestkon his username should be Larious... because whenever someone said hi to him it would be hilarious.
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<P>NVShacker: Doesn't matter who we blame really, it just matters that we prevent it.
<P>NVShacker: So, I blame Ricemanu. He's shifty.
<P>NVShacker: Oh and Shane, he's... Aussie, they're criminals at heart.
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<P>Jonas: I thought we needed to seperate those who have contributed a little from those who have dedicated significant portions of their lives to the project.
<P>NVShacker: Yeah, maybe it should say "people who have thought about TNM while trying to sleep".
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<P>NVShacker: My cat seems to think I'm personally responsible for rain.
<P>Jonas: ARE YOU!?
<P>NVShacker: As far as I can tell, yes. Why else would she let her bitterness affect her relationship with me? She's a very logical and intelligent creature. And her tail is all wet.
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<P>NVShacker: A good chunk of my profanities go towards engine code I don't have access to.
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<P>Smike: My god, it is like talking to plastic wrap. No, really, I've done that. This is the conversation I had.
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<P>Trestkon: *Steps into the room*
<P>Trestkon: *Gestures threateningly with a large stick*
<P>Trestkon: *Goes to bed*
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<P>MSN personal message: Jonas - Now you're thinking with CSS
<P>NVShacker: Now I'm thinking with cascading style sheets?
<P>Jonas: Indeed. I had to euthanize my weighted companion div though :(
<P>NVShacker: I would take back every programming joke I ever made to undo reading that.
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<P>Master_Kale: I have 12 people on my friends list (most/all of you guys) and no one's in the green :(
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Don't you mean "I have 12 people on my friends list and all but three of them are actually Deus Diablo"?
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<P>NVShacker: Perhaps we should change our name to A Mod That is Better Than Zodiac Albeit Completely Unrelated and Not Strictly Comparable and We Recommend You Play Both.
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<P>NVShacker: RICEBAGS OF INEXPLICABLE UNCONSCIOUSNESS +3.
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<P>NVShacker: If I went out into space, I'd probably die of something trivial.
<P>NVShacker: Like a weird illness that kills 1/4 of the crew or my drive core programming having a segfault and overheating.
<P>Jonas: It would probably be the latter.
<P>NVShacker: Your lack of faith in my memory management skills is disturbing.
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<P>Mike: Saying UT3 runs better on low-spec hardware than Crysis is like saying carrots are better for you than cyanide.
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<P>NVShacker: We need like, a bat signal for ZP. It could be in the shape of the UnrealEd icon.
<P>NVShacker: When he stops showing up we'll replace it with the icon for UEd 2.0 to lure him back.
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<P>NVShacker: I say we try 20 and if we hear any comments like "if I see another [profanity] can of pepper spray instead of real ammo I'll [threat]" we change it.
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<P>Metche: Texture artists are like whores - stay around for the cheap crack and then move on.
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<P>Gelo: What's zone lighting?
<P>Jonas: It's light that appears EVERYWHERE in the zone. ABI uses it on the entire level.
<P>Jonas: I considered doing it in Downtown, but I'm not sure it'd work well.
<P>Gelo: Wouldn't that further hurt sneaking though?
<P>Jonas: Not if it's dim enough, I think.
<P>Gelo: So it needs to be Nice But Dim.
<P>Gelo: *Crickets chirp*
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<P>Trestkon: That is largely... ungood.
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<P>Jonas: It's the best counter for the "NO SOUND IN SPACE" nitpick: "Depends where you put the mic" :P
<P>NVShacker: How about "In the TNM universe, there's sound in space. See also: giant karkians who can talk and become authority figures."
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<P>NVShacker: It occurs to me that I'll probably be killing myself on my first run, for my screwdriver.
<P>Jonas: Knock yourself out.
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<P>NVShacker: I am not getting in a car with path finding designed by Unreal Engine people, I'll tell you that right now.
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<P>NVShacker: I implemented and committed a "showletterbox" console command for you. Showletterbox 1 enables, showletterbox 0 disables.
<P>NVShacker: You'll probably want to use it in conjunction with showhud 0.
<P>Jonas: Which does...?
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<P>That Guy: Hopefully if I stand still, I wont break anything.
<P>That Guy: It's like I've gone into the past and I have to try not to influence anything :S
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<P>Jonas: All I want for christmas is a graphics artist.
<P>NVShacker: Be reasonable, christmas is less than a year from now, texture artists can't commit to that kind of timeframe.
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<P>Jonas: Theoretical physics is just about the scariest subject in the world.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Or the best, since you can make shit up all you want.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Strings! No wait, superstrings!
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Well, strings on membranes. In gloves!
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Add equation, publish.
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<P>NVShacker: It has a comment saying //ok, so maybe this was a little bit excessive.
<P>NVShacker: Which should probably be at the top of a lot of our stuff.
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<P>Jonas: Looks like there's ONE shop in all of Denmark that has it.
<P>NVShacker: Hey, that's one shop in a 2 square kilometer radius, that's not that bad...
<P>Jonas: Very funny.
<P>NVShacker: I will mock Denmark until the day I die.
<P>Jonas: I'll have you know Denmark is 43 square km, which is slightly bigger than Virginia ;)
<P>Jonas: Oh wait.
<P>Jonas: Those are MILES.
<P>Jonas: Crap.
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<P>Jonas: HOLY BSP HOLE, BATMAN!
<P>Trestkon: *Covers his eyes and runs out the door*
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<P>Jonas: Remember if Anachronox used Unreal or if it ran on id Tech like Daikatana?
<P>NVShacker: Pretty sure it ran on id Tech because I bought DX on the basis of it being Unreal Engine (I was a weird 10-year-old).
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<P>Jonas: Hey let's add a co-op mode to TNM.
<P>NVShacker: Thanks for reminding me that I can't kill you over the Internet.
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<P>EER: In fact, if TNM is not released by the end of the month I will have forgotten I participate in it at all.
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<P>That Guy: I fell through the floor on the way to Despot's apartment, almost got crushed in a pool of water, walk into the next room, the wall explodes. A chunk flies out of the wall hitting the opposite wall then, I kid you not, bounces off and flies right back where it came from.
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<P>That Guy: Ended up checking that the map's first 10 characters were tnmendgame01.
<P>That Guy: Which of course is impossible.
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<P>Master_Kale: Feeling guilty I haven't done anything for TNM recently :T
<P>Jonas: GOOD! TNM runs on two engines: UT1.5 and GUILT!
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Hrmmm... cannot remember my SVN access codes.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: *Upgrades computer skill to 2*
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: *Loses all bioenergy and sets alarm off*
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<P>NVShacker: I'm guessing a lot of people did this, but I also put a LAM on the door to Lebedev's room. Totally not my fault that Anna died.
<P>Jonas: Hahahah. A bit like boobytrapping the 'Ton lobby before talking to Paul.
<P>NVShacker: Yeah, you were just trying to deal with the rat problem.
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<P>Jonas: Chris isn't responding.
<P>NVShacker: Give him 10 CCs of nagging, stat.
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<P>JeredCain: ...the Resident Evil poster was foreshadowing, wasn't it.
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<P>Trestkon: But I DO need a new phone.
<P>Trestkon: And by NEED I mean want.
<P>Trestkon: And by want I mean the corporate machine has brainwashed me.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Fuck it, let's try murdering the bar.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: DUDE YOU'RE GETTING A DELL.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Or several rounds to the face.
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<P>Mike Myers: I just checked all the way through the archives and found the news on this site since March '02 and I know you guys were hosted elsewhere before that. Do you sometimes feel like you are raising a child?
<P>Trestkon: An astoundingly obese one, yes.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: Are you sure he doesn't just look like Travolta because the image is squished vertically? If you stretched it to a reasonable aspect ratio, he'd look like... hmmm... a young Travolta. Oh well.
<P>That Guy: Yeah time has not been kind to the width/height ratio of John Travolta's face...
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<P>Jonas: Oh.
<P>Jonas: Fuck.
<P>Jonas: Note for posterity: Do NOT rebuild code packages while installing Visual Studio.
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<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: TNM's sniper sound (while very, very nice) is so apocalyptic that I'm always amazed I haven't been flung backwards with recoil while simultaneously vapourising my target all over a nearby wall.
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<P>Trestkon: Watching the SVN download lines is like watching an ATM spit out free money, or Skittles fall from the sky.
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<P>Gelo: It seems Matt that you've learned your lesson, so I shall satisfy myself with continuing to stand menacingly behind Jonas.
<P>Jonas: ...with a baseball bat.
<P>Jonas: ...because we're gonna play some softball later.
<P>Master_Kale: ...that's good news
<P>Gelo: With your knees.
<P>Master_Kale: ...that's not so good news.
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<P>Chris the Cynic: Word complains when you use the passive voice. This is a problem as ass is kicked by the passive voice.
<P>Dr. Dumb Lunatic: You should try writing scientific papers with it... "It was thus decided by this author that Word sucks diseased monkey cocks significantly more frequently than Notepad (P<0.001), and it is therefore in the authors' opinions that forcing Clippy to fuck himself is the most sensible course to follow in future investigations."
<P>Jonas: Extremely coarse language: Massively improving academic papers since 1452.
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<P>NVShacker: I have a cat headrest.
<P>NVShacker: It's purring and possibly homicidal.
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<P>Jonas: There is a large cat on my printer.
<P>NVShacker: You'll have to paws the current job.
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<P>Jonas: I recommend The Nameless Mod too. It's really awesome ;)
<P>EvaUnit02: Ah, you've been to the future. Did they have flying cars?
<P>Jonas: I AM from the future. And yes, we do have flying cars.
<P>Trestkon: And I'll ask you to please stop flying so low over my house!
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<P>NVShacker: A potential issue is carrying Jonas out, then executing him, but eh.
<P>NVShacker: Although I suppose it could just be like "He's too full of himself to carry." :P
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<P>EER: In fact, any thread can be about anything at any point in time.
<P>Jonas: It's a quantum forum!
<P>m3rc1l3ss: We call it "thread theory".
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<P>Henry: For "over the top", read: Louder.
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<P>That Guy: Man there is a huge fly on my monitor.
<P>That Guy: I wish I could take a screenshot.
<P>That Guy: Damn, I tried to trace around it in Paint and it flew off.